NAVIGO DÉCOUVERTE - any further insight?

[mez]

Hi all.

I've copied below a post that came up on Trip Advisor today. Can anyone offer any further insight to what's already been written.

Thanks, Mez.

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It would appear that the '..old format..' (separate magnetic strip-read ticket / coupon & photo-ID card) CARTE ORANGE transportation pass product will be around for a while. The most likely replacement for it looks to be a recently announced '..NAVIGO DÉCOUVERTE..' pass product. Presently this new type of pass product will be introduced on Sept. 1st, 2007. The NAVIGO Découverte will be a a single, '..combination..' photo-I D card (user provided photo) and re-useable / re-loadable NAVIGO system. digital-read. payment card. It will be purchasable (without mail-in application) at Metro & RER stations for a one-time charge of 5 €uro...PLUS...the amount of the applicable CARTE ORANGE Zones fare.
It appears that this new product is intended to be the replacement for the 'old format' CARTE ORANGE...BUT...the question remains whether any sort of '..residency-proof..' will be required to purchase this new pass product. At least for the time being, the multi-day PARIS VISITE pass (always intended as a '..tourist product..') and one-day MOBILIS products (which both still use the older '..magentic-strip read..' technology will remain in the options mix.
Another new wrinkle in the newly revised transporation fare and pass mix is that the PARIS VISITE Zone 1-6 multi day transportation pass NO LONGER INCLUDES the ROISSYBUS transfer connection between CDG and Paris...though evidently the RER 'B' ligne--Roiisyrail--train connection is covered...as well as the ORLYVAL & ORLYBUS / RER 'B' transfer as well as the RER 'C' transfer connections are still included.
From: STIF--Syndicat des Transports d’Ile-de-France--the '..umbrella..' public transportation authourit (RER, RATP OPTILE, TRANSLIEN SNC for Paris and the greater Ile de France
"..Le Guide Tarifaire-2007..'--
www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/Guide_tarifaire_2007.pdf
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"....Le forfait Carte Orange avec coupon magnétique :
• il est constitué d’un coupon magnétique correspondant aux zones choisies et d’une carte nominative avec photo ;
• le numéro de la carte doit être impérativement reporté sur le coupon. Ce coupon n’est ni remboursé, ni remplacé en cas de perte ou de vol ;
• le coupon s’achète dans l’ensemble des points de vente OPTILE, RATP, Transilien SNCF : stations de métro et de tramway, gares, et chez les commerçants agréés ;
• par ailleurs, il est à noter que ce coupon magnét..."
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"....NOUVEAU !
À partir du 1er septembre 2007 un nouveau passe sera mis en service : le passe Navigo Découverte. Ce passe, disponible immédiatement au guichet ou en agence et chez les commerçants agréés sans avoir à remplir de dossier, est ouvert à tous (Franciliens et non Franciliens). Il coûte 5 €, et une photo d’identité est nécessaire. Il permet de charger des forfaits Carte Orange, hebdomadaires ou mensuels. En cas de perte ou de vol il n’est pas remboursé...."
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"....La carte Paris Visite ne permet pas l’accès à Allobus Roissy CDG...."
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[Anne]

<<Ce passe, disponible immédiatement au guichet ou en agence et chez les commerçants agréés sans avoir à remplir de dossier, est ouvert à tous (Franciliens et non Franciliens). Il coûte 5 €, et une photo d’identité est nécessaire>>

That means that no "residency-proof" is required, since anyone is entitled to buy this pass . No file to fill up, just 5 euros and an ID picture .

[Truffaut]

I checked out the site, and it does, indeed, appear that there is a new Navigo Pass available. The passes we already have are free and are available only to those with a home or work address within the Ile-de-France. The new Navigo Decouverte costs 5 euros and is available to anybody, regardless of residency. It will gradually replace the current Carte Orange system of paper tickets.

PS--The Navigo passes are marvelous. You can frequently leave them in your purse or pocket and walk right through the turnstiles without taking them out. The computerized sensor is very good.

[Jody]

Does the new Navigo pass have the same time restraints as the CO.....Monday thru Sunday, or can it be loaded with a weekly reduced fare and start at the first use?

[annettecinca]

Good question, Demarias! It would be wonderful if this is the case! Hopefully someone will be able to report "from the scene" soon and let us know.

[Truffaut]

They will be available only with the same Monday--Sunday schedule as is currently in use.

[Jody]

Well, POO

[les]

It looks like the photo is part of the plastic pass, much like a driver's license would be. How do they do that with a photo right there at the ticket booth?

[Darcy]

I'm guessing it works the same as the CO. You bring your picture to the ticket booth, buy the pass, affix the photo, and fold over the laminate sheet to seal it to the pass.

But then I haven't seen the new pass, so I may be all wet!

[Jody]

To me it looks like it will be in 2 parts, the actual plastic Navigo and a paper ID card with your picture, like the CO.

"For reasons of checking and controlling passengers passes by RATP and SNCF, the new pass will be associated with a transport card showing a photo of the user and his or her written name. The passes must be presented together when a controller requests them"

I guess we'll find out more when Gitte gets back from her trip.She said she was going to get one. I just wish they'd post a price list.

[mez]

Some more info in English...Happy reading, Mez.

The Carte Orange Hebdomadaire
With Carte Orange Hebdomadaire, you can travel as much as you like for one whole week. The number of journeys is unlimited!
This pass allows you to travel within your chosen zones of the Ile-de-France transport network.

How Does it Work?
Carte Orange Hebdomadaire is valid from Mondays to Sundays.
It is on sale from the previous Friday to the Thursday of the week in which it is to be used. On Fridays, only a pass for the following week can be bought.

How to choose your zones
The Carte Orange is valid for set zones.
The Ile-de-France is divided into 6 price zones. To decide which zones you need, you have to take into account:
- the zone you are leaving from,
- the zones you will be crossing,
- the zone you will arrive in.
Example: you need a Carte Orange to travel from Aulnay-Sous-Bois (zone 4) to Évry (zone 5). You have to travel via Paris. You therefore need to buy the pass corresponding to zones 1 to 5.
View the price zones (PDF, 1.30 Mo)

The passe Navigo Découverte
This is the pass onto which you load your Carte Orange.
The passe Navigo Découverte comprises:
- a personal travel card,
- a smart card,
- a holder.

Before using it, you should:
- write your surname and first name on the card,
- stick an identity photo in the space indicated.
The card and the pass must be used together. They are strictly personal and cannot be used by any other person.

The passe Navigo Découverte lasts 10 years. You can reload it as many times as you like. It is on sale at all our ticket offices and costs €5 (price at 01/09/07).

Loading Your Carte Orange
You can load a Carte Orange onto your passe Navigo Découverte at ticket machines or at the ticket offices of Transilien, RER and metro stations.

Carte Orange Hebdomadaire prices
The prices of Carte Orange Hebdomadaire vary according to the zones selected.


Source: www.transilien.com/web/site/accueil/guide-du-voyageur/billets-abonnements/carte-orange-hebdomadaire/lang/en

[Jody]

Looks like the prices are the same..zone1-2 =- €16.30 pluss the 1 time €5 fee.