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Post by Anne on Sept 11, 2008 6:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by cigalechanta on Sept 11, 2008 13:44:18 GMT -5
THERE'S A PIECE WITH PHOTOS ABOUT THAT IN TODAY'S nEW yORK tIMES.
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Post by cybee on Sept 11, 2008 19:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by Sandy M on Sept 11, 2008 22:00:49 GMT -5
There was an article in our paper today about Jeff Koon's exhibit at Versailles - when I looked at the picture of the animal balloon, I couldn't believe that such an exhibit would be at Versailles! I can certainly understand why there is such a huge controversy - I don't blame them.
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Post by Shoesy on Sept 11, 2008 22:52:07 GMT -5
EW !!! That is so unappropriate!  What were they thinking?  |
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Post by sunshine817 on Sept 12, 2008 0:07:06 GMT -5
Both the lobster and the balloon dog make me wish that there was an enormous straight pin somewhere in the collection....
Bwahahaha.
I might be exposing myself as a nitwit where art is concerned -- but I'll risk it. I just don't understand how this is art.
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Post by Laidback on Sept 12, 2008 0:39:10 GMT -5
Both the lobster and the balloon dog make me wish that there was an enormous straight pin somewhere in the collection.... Bwahahaha. I might be exposing myself as a nitwit where art is concerned -- but I'll risk it. I just don't understand how this is art. Sunshine, add me to your art nitwit team! I went to the Richard Avedon photo exhibit yesterday at the Jeu de Paume and upon entering the Tuileries Garden I was aware of this ugly looking, merde colored structure which I figured was some temporary barrier perhaps related to the Pope's journey along this area this week-end. Ms. L. noticed a small marker identifying it as a "piece of art"!  |
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Post by Shoesy on Sept 12, 2008 0:58:06 GMT -5
You can add me to the nitwit club, and I'm even willing to be president. LB - That brown thing should be smashed to pieces and then swept up by the little green men.
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Post by phread on Sept 12, 2008 3:13:25 GMT -5
That brown thing is a Richard Serra piece. I LOVE his work. He had a horrible show at the Grand Palais last spring. Even Serra was disappointed, as he had misjudged the scale of the empty space. The Guggenheim at Bilbao has an entire gallery of his work and i could have spent an entire day there.
I haven't seen the Tuileries piece, so I reserve judgment, but generally his work has a beautiful patina of rust in all tones of red and the curbs and perspectives of the installations force one to visualize a known landscape in an entirely new light. Did I mention that I am something of a fan.
As for Koons, I think that is a grand idea and this weekend I shall perhaps craft that giant pin and create an installation of my own!!!
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Post by Shoesy on Sept 12, 2008 3:35:07 GMT -5
Phread - I hope you don't hate those of us who criticized his work.  In any case, I'm glad to hear that there are some people who appreciate that kind of art. |
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Post by sistereurope on Sept 12, 2008 7:34:45 GMT -5
And as for the Koons...your reactions are probably just what he wants! Some artists make that kind of art JUST to get a rise out of people and to start those kind of discussions...Is it ART? How can they call that ART? They stir people up, there's all this contraversy... and people flock to see the work...and the artist and the gallery space make money. Moi, cynical? NAH!  Seriously, if those works get people thinking and talking about art, I think that, in the end, it's overall a good thing... |
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Post by cybee on Sept 12, 2008 8:07:23 GMT -5
SisterEurope, Good point. The Koons exhibit at the Versailles IS getting us to discuss art and that can not be a bad thing! Obviously , the OPF posts herein are a microcosm of that very controversy. Question is whether the "dare of new" equates artistic skill? That question may never be fully resolved as art/perception thereof is very subjective. While I have seen the dog structure (cute as it is) created by balloon twisters (e.g. my former neighbor), now I see it enlarged in a different medium and setting...viola! The issue of art comes up! Viva la difference in taste, I guess! However...vacuums? Hmm...maybe I too can set up an exhibit then! |
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Post by mossie on Sept 12, 2008 8:59:10 GMT -5
Am too ancient to believe in anything "modern", and of course art is in the eye of the beholder. Not me in this instance.
Will clean up a saying from my youth "Who called the artist a fool" answer "who called the fool an artist!"
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Post by Sandy M on Sept 12, 2008 12:23:10 GMT -5
For those of you in the US, I just received an e-mail from CBS News "Sunday Morning" giving program highlights for this Sunday's broadcast-Jeff Koons will be featured on one of the segments. I quote from the e-mail "Artist Jeff Koons, who has been described as the “Princeling of Kitsch,” seems to be getting the last laugh on his critics. His works now sell for millions of dollars. Koons speaks with correspondent Serena Altschul about his phenomenal success." Also, I just remembered that our Art Center in Des Moines has had a display of his wet-dry vacuums since the early 80's - to my knowledge, it's still on display - couldn't understand it then and still don't. It is similiar to the display in Versailles but if I remember correctly, the one here is just two wet-dry vacs, one stacked on top of the other similiar to this: tiny.cc/VRlR8 |
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Post by annette on Sept 15, 2008 11:05:24 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Jeff Koons art, but I don't think Versailles is the proper venue for an exhibit! How distracting it's going to be to enjoy the palace in all her glory when I take my friends next month. They'll have all this modern stuff staring them in the face, which will make it difficult to transport oneself back in time and imagine you're part of the court of Louis XIV. I was rather hoping all the silver furnishings borrowed from Denmark would still be there--a much more appropriate exhibit, IMO.
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Post by ray on Sept 15, 2008 12:04:11 GMT -5
I think he mentioned in the CBS piece yesterday, that one of the ways he wants people to see the art, is in the reflection back on to the viewer. Like a colored mirror. So, the balloon dog should be viewed not just as it sits, but what it reflects back to you from it's surface.  |
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Post by phread on Sept 23, 2008 2:38:16 GMT -5
Ray, The Guggenheim at Bilbao has a "bouquet" of balloon flowers that he did and all the tourists were doing just that, naturally... photographing their reflections IN the art. It was quite cool...
This discussion, and Sunshine's comment in particular inspire me. I am presently constructing a large silver straight pin and I will be heading to Versailles with a matching sign, "Pop the Puppy" Only question now, how do I actually make money from this piece of installation art?
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Post by Laidback on Sept 23, 2008 3:34:04 GMT -5
That brown thing is a Richard Serra piece. I LOVE his work. He had a horrible show at the Grand Palais last spring. Even Serra was disappointed, as he had misjudged the scale of the empty space. The Guggenheim at Bilbao has an entire gallery of his work and i could have spent an entire day there. I haven't seen the Tuileries piece, so I reserve judgment, but generally his work has a beautiful patina of rust in all tones of red and the curbs and perspectives of the installations force one to visualize a known landscape in an entirely new light. Did I mention that I am something of a fan. As for Koons, I think that is a grand idea and this weekend I shall perhaps craft that giant pin and create an installation of my own!!! phread, I saw`the Serra exhibition at the Grand Palais last Spring and again stood scratching my head trying to conceive of these large sheets of metal as art. To my eye they created the appearance of an abandonned construction site! Art is so hard to define and I fear my parameters were formed ages ago by Degas, Renoir, Manet and their forebears. My fear that I had been left behind was confirmed with the construction of the Beaubourg which no matter how hard I try to love is still just butt-ugly to my old eyes, yet it is one of the most visited sites in Paris. I do enjoy the Stravinsky Fountain adjacent to it though. I think you have a great money making project in mind by selling balloon popping pins; I would buy one! à chacun son gout, etc. |
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Post by phread on Sept 24, 2008 3:35:02 GMT -5
Well, Laidback, went to the Tuileries and you are right. It is NUL. I think that M. Serra has lost it.
Went to the Chateau de Fountainbleau this weekend for their show of Contemporary Art with the Palais de Tokoyo. The goal of the event was to get folks like yourself interested in contemporary art, and let me tell you, it was a BIG FAILURE!!! The art was silly and insignificant. The show probably turned many people off of contemporary art PERMANENTLY. It is really too bad, because the artists like Manet et co are, well, dead, so if we are going to see anything new and exciting, we have no choice, but to look to the young 'uns.
On the other hand, the show was good for a laugh... there was a taxidermed elephant standing on his trunk in the formal library and a taxidermed cat that was attached to a pipe, seemingly pumping it full of helium up to the ceiling. This piece was in stalled in an area decorated with 18th century portraits of hunting dogs. Too funny. Not art, but funny.
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Post by ouiparis on Sept 25, 2008 11:27:09 GMT -5
Laidback's photo and the subsequent discussion of the particular work of art made me laugh. We went jogging through Tuileries on Saturday and I thought that the entire thing was a barrier they were constructing for an upcoming event.
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, in the royal appartments and in the gardens . Needless to say, there is HUGE controversy in France about the opportunity of such an exhibition in Versailles, of all places 
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, in the royal appartments and in the gardens . Needless to say, there is HUGE controversy in France about the opportunity of such an exhibition in Versailles, of all places 
. Anyone interested, the exhibition will be on until Dec 24 .
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In any case, I'm glad to hear that there are some people who appreciate that kind of art.
Let the riot begin! LOL - 
hahahha